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I use Adobe Indesign daily for my business and it is worth every penny I pay for it.. Truely, each has it’s pluses and minuses If you are a dabbler who just needs software to edit their photos C1, Lightroom, etc are a bit overkill in many ways.
A client fashion photographer who often rents my studio, bought the V21 upgrade only to have it fail on shoot. Many tries later and correspondence with tech support had them refund the purchase, they couldn’t find the problem. He is happy that Lightroom with it’s latest versions doing error free tethered capture.
Many users in my circles are stopping at V20 and rightly so. Quit calling updates upgrades C1! Oh why do C1 fans keep saying far better much better etc compared to LR? Both are good, some things are very good, and some things unique in their own way. Learn them both use the one that fits best.
C1 continues to push the price up thus will become more exclusive. Lightroom will continue to serve too many uses, yet remain extremely affordable. While using it, bam, just as you said, it crashed on me. I was upset they used their choice to raise prices.
But then, I used my choice to not buy it so I guess it all equals out. Seriously though, you do not need the upgrade ever year. There is very little new useful stuff in the program each year. The architecture upgrade I have asked them for, they have not done, so until they do, I don’t upgrade.
The only time you might need to upgrade is if there is a camera that you just bought that is not supported in the software you have already licensed. If you do spend a couple grand on a camera, then paying for a one-time license to use the software for the life of the camera is not a bad deal. You can’t do much without good software. Older C1 versions do not receive updates anymore and C1 always has some bugs, so if a particular bug is hurting you and hasn’t been addressed in the version you own, there is no alternative to paying the upgrade price.
Handsome90 As an example, if you want a correctly working keystone tool, you won’t get it with V This tool is not able to simultaneously correct two dimensions simultaneously. V10 had an issue with redoing edits on curve points. This only got fixed in V I’m sure there are more example that I’m not aware of. The support team was responsive and competent. C1 had some issues but user requests where responded to and C1 had a great trajectory. With the split from Phase One, the product management direction, quality control, and technical support all got significantly worse.
Another example is a library system that scans each and every raw file instead of querying its database when searching all pictures for a keyword.
That on top of taking forever to open a library with 40K pictures. Agreeing with you again – I really think these points need to be hammered home! C1 as you starts to squeal horrifically with an order of magnitude fewer. I once timed how long it took to open a folder with a library of , images I shoot a lot images for my job and I like to have a single hierarchy where I can find everything and keep it organised; sue me ;. This was never a prob with LR!
C1 has never convincingly moved on from, as you say, a sessions based workflow, shoot by shoot. That’s fine so far as it goes, but it annoys me that they market it as offering different functionality, where practically speaking it effectively doesn’t. Funny once I saw the lack of support for stitching images in the update I moved over to On1 and am actually liking it.
What I really think this proves is how important we do not depend on any software for our Long term archive. If I needed to grab a file from years ago I would almost certainly need to reprocess it from scratch. I appreciate due to the simple reality of inflation prices rise. It’s a pity the C1 marketing team didn’t trust it’s users to take a price rise on the chin so to speak and just announce a simple price rise rather than come out with the most ridiculous and patronising email I have seen in a long time attempting to justify it.
As to the new prices I don’t understand the comments from some posters saying its pro software so that justifies the price. I think pricing higher than Adobe is risky.
The import is counter intuitive and there is no map module for example. A new camera is possibly on the cards for me in and it may not be a Sony. I can’t justify the price of the full version if it isn’t. If bugs determine whether a software is PRO or amateur, then I have learned something new today.
Photoshop and Indesign are full of bugs – does that make them not Pro? That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in recent memory. Many Pros use C1. I don’t think Photoshop’s “Undo” is not working correctly or that every image touched up with a healing brush cannot be properly exported.
I use both Photoshop and Capture One and there is no comparison how many more bugs, partly affecting fundamental functionality, there are in Capture One.
I don’t care how many “pros” use Capture One, the software does not pass any reasonable threshold of “pro quality”. Been use C1 Pro for many years The biggest issue for me with C1 is speed on export and the inability to overwrite these exported images WHY can’t I overwrite an exported image if I make a tweak?!??!
I believe you about your frustration but I don’t have any crashes with C1. Perhaps my Mac just works better. That doesn’t mean I don’t have frustration with it. The software is excellent and helps me with thousands upon thousands of sellable photos per year. I think it’s just fine. The fact that the keystone tool does not perform the correct distortion it produces parallelograms instead of rectangles, if you correct in two dimensions simultaneously , that “undo” is currently not working for some users, that healing layers can cause artefacts both during previewing and on export, etc.
C1 works fine for me but as a pro, I would not rely on a tool that cannot re-locate images from one folder location to another without dropping some and getting its image counts mixed up. I’ve had folders with “-1” negative one! As another example, there is a “Known Issue” about importing a catalog may mean that the last image is not imported.
This may be acceptable for amateur-level consumers but pros should be expecting more. FWIW, I don’t care how bad other software is. I had those issues moving images too.
Metadata, including edits, quite often gets left behind too. I used to recommend C1 to others but no longer do so. Customer requests are being ignored and V21 is therefore still full of unnecessary limitations.
Worse, it also features many old and new bugs. I don’t mind paying a premium price for a premium product but C1 is just way too buggy to command the prices they started asking for it.
V21 has issues with undo, exporting images with heal layers , the keystone tool is still broken, etc. The complete list of issues remaining with the software is embarrassingly long.
I won’t upgrade to V21 and at this rate it seems very unlikely I’ll ever upgrade again. Too bad, there was so much potential in C1.
I had bought the version 20 for Nikon and now I should pay almost the complete amount again. In addition, you only get one license instead of two as before. Nice try. I suspect Adrenochrom has been fooled by the fact that you have to go into the website and clear no longer used activations to get back your full set. That said, I must agree about the raise in upgrade prices, the prices themselves, and the paucity of features and fixes they eke out a little each year.
Capture One 20 was a decent upgrade adding in two I think prior years. At the appearance and pricing of 21, it will be a while before i would consider doing it again. Subscription makes sense only for businesses, and if they update cameras or lenses. Danes know about respect; they also know sometimes they don’t like to give it, children onwards.
This grab for money is kind of the way of a certain personality of child. Knowing software, besides culture, I’d like to be sympathetic, but it’s difficult, feeling the presence of arrogance, and self-belief in a hard nose. Ok, I own the Nikon version of CapturOne20, until last week I was shown on their website that CaptureOne21 Nikon can only be installed on one computer instead of two, this week it’s back to 2 seats.
Anyway, CaptureONe Pro was 3 seats and is now only for 2 seats whatever. At least they seem to be trying to listen to their customers, because the limitation of the number of seats has been mentioned and criticized in various places and was so puplished on their website. I’d checked the website for my C1 20 and found 3 license uses still available, but that is keeping legacy, not apparently what they do on some, or is it all?
I guess they must be concerned that some customers may be blurring the line to let several workers use the same license.. It’s hard to know their real situation with subsidies now from larger brands, rather than the expensive backs. It occurs to me that what can look like arrogance may rather be indication of struggle, and in software, not to say keeping up with professional lens profiles, there are many challenges.
I currently run C1 Ver. Since the added features in Ver. Therefore I will have to factor in the C1 update price when looking for a new camera. Sadly, they 1 dropped the ability to replace layers in target images; now only adding is possible. Give with one hand, take away with the other. A fix only addressed half of the problems; usability is now still worse than it was in V Users see artefacts on their screens and get corrupt exports, when healing layers are used.
So, so disappointed with this. Had intended to purchase C1 last evening, and the first I knew of the price increase was when I went to the website. I’m a hobbyist photographer, and whilst I understand that C1 is professional software, that does not mean it doesn’t have appeal to an amateur, especially as there is an option for a perpetual license.
I would imagine that most pros would want the full version, and perhaps the brand specific version was supposed to appeal to people like me? Disappointing as I’d put the purchase off until after xmas to spread my outgoings a little, especially as money has become tight in a pandemic.
One lost customer. Point completely understood. I have the trial version of C1 21 installed in my IMac and have been blown away by how much I can improve my old Nikon files from the last decade. Same here. I would be happy for perhaps a less-pro version that is maybe slower than the proversion.
Something not ideal for professional workflows but fine for amateurs who can wait a little longer and may be an upgrader to pro. A bit like video software Davinci Resolve free Vs paid. I don’t get the claim about “much better RAW converter”. Maybe that is true for Fuji cameras where Adobe may still employ an inferior technology but for most cameras, the difference between C1 and LR is in the default settings.
This is my experience with Sony and Nikon cameras. The shadow slider, for example, gives a much more polished and contrasty result. Also, no tool gives as much flexibility with individual colours as C1 goes. My point is the time taken to get the best the files can be. As a result, I love C1.
If the market can bear it, it will. Phillip, as a landscape photographer, I am not able to get the same impact as easily in LR as in C1 Pro. We can share files and discuss further off-line. A price increase always sucks, but I think once the pandemic is over we will see price increases for everything. And this was pretty much predictable anyway.
Especially with Fuji, once you get used to it, C1 offers a far better experience and results better raw processing, better colours, profiles, quicker editing. Now it is pretty much the most recommended software in the Fuji forums.
A price increase was bound to follow. Low price to increase market presence, then increase. And a perpetual licence also means you don’t need to upgrade every year.
That’s the point. So you still save over lightroom every time you skip a year. Personally I’ll wait until they improve the CA module or negate my need to export to Affinity for e. Adobe who? A second seat essentially means you can, as per the license, install and use the software on 2 separate computers. This covers people who have a laptop and a desktop with C1 installed on both. Then the article wrongly claims under the previous pricing only a single seat was available.
My licence of C1 clearly states two installs on two devices. Or did he just lump them in with the other usurers? Skipping a year is all well and good if you don’t lock yourself out of an upgrade price in future by doing so.
Sure paying full upgrade price every other year might be a way to reduce costs over a period of years regardless but some loyalty to existing users would not go amiss. They will get more people upgrading if they do. They have set of on a risky path here charging more than the Adobe photography plan and if they annoy people with what they perceive as price gouging they won’t upgrade again.
If you get the –already excellent– free version for your camera brand Fujifilm, Sony, and Nikon only then they will eventually email you one of those discount coupons. Professional tools are expensive because they offer that little extra percentage of overall quality in given time, no matter if there are pros that practically don’t understand the terms in C. O’s menus and just play with sliders or basic corrections I’ve seen it with my own eyes more than just rarely Considering their updates history, C1 is basically a one time purchase without further updates.
It is insane that a simple compatibility updates can’t be added for newer bodies. There are many expensive softwares, but none of them has such poor updates policy. While compatibility updates would be great, I foresee their argument of going with a subscription model in that case. I am somewhat grateful that there IS a perpetual license model. If you’re a hobbyist and changing cameras at a pace of 5 years and use the editing software on a weekly or monthly basis, subscription models have extremely low value for money.
C1 had quite attractive promotions in the past. Otherwise, I’d say you’d have to include software price in your considerations when buying a new camera body Looking at the price increase of camera gears R5, zoom.. I think PROs which may upgrade gear every year, those prices should be nothing as photo gear is way more expensive. Also think that software development costs money to make and maintain. And what about the software developers, if they go, the knowledge goes away, so money must be made to keep them around.
Money is being made through extensive and relevant software updates. Giving your customers added value to their purchase. Not via the easy solution that Capture One seem to have adopted. That will only lead to short term gain and long term loss. Capture One is an essential part of commercial work for its tethering ability.
The cost may be high, but it works while the client’s are staring at the monitor. There may be other raw convertors, but none of them tether as well. Do I like the increased cost? Not really, but the clients impression means a lot. I agree C1 is by far the best at tethering. All the pricing changes could be a storm in a tea cup, as they routinely issue discount codes. I do think the announcement of a price rise was poorly timed, especially given the relatively poor reception of C21 and the lack of support for a number of camera bodies.
I think the company need to interact more with its customer base, even the C1 forums have no support interaction, leaving customers frustrated or reliant on other users to help them out. Time will tell, whether they get away with it. But it does not show a good competition analysis and sensibility towards their covid shaken customer base, many of them without an appropriate health insurance and covid impacted businesses.
Obviously doesn’t have all the features but still give you enough. I am glad I didn’t use their products I think these pricing plans are suicidal while many people don’t even have a job. The prices are for those who have a job, just like the price of cars, airplanes, boats, professional cameras, printers and lighting equipment.
For those who like to use the free software, etc. If you get the right deal, you can break even with Adobe leasing model in just over a year. And then never have to pay a penny more if you don’t want. And while new camera models may not be supported, if you change cameras every couple not years, saving money is not your priority anyway.
Tons of people. But some people have always whined and claimed they would be willing to pay much more upfront to avoid a subscription. I guess this is the option they were asking for. Canon user, no reduced price version of C1 available 2.
C1 pricing in Euro much higher than in USD 3. Canon DPP raw engine with powerful editing functionality with full local edits on raws and reasonably intuitive user interface – as in LR “develop” module. Exposure X6 is pretty close to what you describe. With Topaz Denoise and Affinity Photo you get everything you need as amateur. Thanks for suggestion, but I don’t think so.
I want 1 single software to do all work on raw files all the way to output. Been there, done that, horror! One single, integrated software package with enough functionality for my needs and reasonably intuitive UI was the major attraction of LR to me. I was and am quite happy with it as permanent license. Bought updates every years or so, whenever I saw some worthwhile improvement for my workflow was added.
I don’t understand why Adobe is willing to maintain their functionally hopelessly underpowered PS Elements – with permanent license! I got a good 4 years out of LR 6 standalone. But various people would probably disagree with you about what elements should be included – e. The problem with any such “solution” is that it just wouldn’t be a viable proposition for Adobe. They, like any other company are a business that wants to generate the largest profit they can get away with.
That’s why they use the subscription model – which is actually extremely good value compared to the alternative of purchasing new “perpetual” software everytime you add a new camera or lens to your kit.
Photographers are a funny bunch, they will spend thousands on camera equipment and upgrade often, they will buy computers, expensive monitors but when it comes to software it needs to be somewhere close to free. Lightroom and photoshop deal, it’s costs me 12 euro per month, I get updates it works great. It’s no worse in terms of cost than netflix or spotify or tidal or most of the other services people willingly pay for. At least with the Adobe deal or Capture One you get to keep all your images and if you exported them as Tiffs or JPGs you get the edited version too.
With all the those streaming services when you quit you get nothing. Stujomo – I couldn’t agree more. I wonder sometimes if these whingers realise that almost everything in their life is paid by “subscription” or regular instalments of one kind or another – mortgages, car purchase, vehicle tax, home and car insurance, motor fuel, electricity, gas, landline and mobile bills, water supply, sewage, club memberships etc.
So, by refusing to sell “LR lite” for eg. PS: also don’t have any subscriptions for Netflix, amazon prime, Spotify etc. I try as best as I can to not add more “automated monthly money suckers” to my bank account. Want to upgrade it some time to a mirrorfree FF camera with MP to natively fill any 8k display with quality pixels plus some cropping reserve. My guess is around Black Friday Yes, also an 8k monitor. My guess is also around black Friday Plus a large 8k display eg TV set as decent digital picture frame on my wall.
Maybe already by Black Friday , but want camera first. LR and Photoshop for ten dollars a month? You better believe that’s a bargain. Capture One no way, no how. It’s kept constantly up to date with the latest camera and lens profiles, and gets extra functionality and speed enhancements about 3 or 4 times a year.
There were other minor reductions for other versions with styles and such. However, after subscribing updating to Capture One 21, it deactivated my license for V20! Capture one is a great program, but the company is getting greedier and greedier with time. Once you change programs, you lose all your edits and have to start over. You can apply that to old versions e.
They really need to communicate this better. I’ve never allowed my files to be held hostage by software whether it’s photographs or document formats. Use software to initially organize, but for the master file s , manually organize your major edits, partial edits, etc. Also, are their company direct and indirect costs getting higher and higher as time as well? C1 is way too expensive for non Pro use. Adobe is smarter than this. This is shown in the invoice.
Canon user here, so only C1 21 Pro is applicable, permanent license, no superfluous styles needed. Teila Day, “.. Sorry, I don’t buy that argument. As the character House said, “You don’t get what you deserve, you get what you get. The latest update is another example of, IMO, poor business practice. They have an update coming but don’t tell anyone what the update is going to be. Then toss on a discount for those that buy it ahead of time. A few years ago, I trashed Adobe for its subscription model, but it’s a deal now and makes a great combination package.
Capture One is not a full-fledged package at present. It is missing some useful features. But, because I choose virtual editing, I’m locked in for now. If a program has features or speeds that make your life considerably easier, then that’s value inherent to that software..
The bottom line is that C1 offers notably quick editing for many users in order to get to the results that they like, faster than competing products. C1 like Photoshop is something that I’d only purchase every blue moon.
I don’t have a need to upgrade C1 until it’s worth it to me which likely won’t be for a few years. I don’t mind Adobe, et al. I won’t comment on Phase One’s business practices because it doesn’t affect me enough for me to worry about it. For Sony cameras try this free Sony software.
For perpetual it sound like a good idea at first but they have been releasing new version every year so your version will not get any update after 1 year. The price of upgrading perpetual license is enough to pay adobe subscription – which you get both lightroom and photoshop. If you know you are not going to get any new gears, and does not need any new software update support, then getting perpetual license is fine.
Otherwise consider other product. What you outline is exactly why I said NO to C1. The price squeeze has been on for awhile now.
Business for them is getting harder and harder. The hype pressure is leaking, a flat tire is coming. Competition is making holes in C1’s future. I lost a lot of respect when the new feature teaser videos came out, and there were only two.
Unfortunately I know of at least one guy who paid up for the upgrade sight unseen and was grossly disappointed and felt duped. His own fault really. But if I am getting a new camera it sucks to know that my raw file will not be supported by the software and will need to pay the premium just to get the raw file imported.
Like photoshop or any software, I skip the soft updates and only update if the new features are compelling enough for me, otherwise I keep using C1 20 or in the case of Photoshop, CS6. Seems to me if one only uses what’s actually needed, these so called “price hikes” hardly what I’d call ‘expensive’ for what one’s getting aren’t much of a ‘hike’ at all There is plenty of RAW converters out there to choose from – free, cheap and sort of expensive. The choice is yours.
We live in a free market economy and no one can force you to spend your money on something you do not want. I have been C1 user for nearly 20 years but have not upgraded to the latest version. I am happy to keep on using the version I have for years to come since I do not really need the new offerings in v. So, I am well covered for all my needs, these price hikes do not affect me at all. For me the clone and healing tools introduced in I’m passing on v21 though.
The good thing unless they change it is that the upgrade cost from v20 to v22 will likely be the same as the upgrade cost from v21 to v So they don’t penalize you if you skip one upgrade. MikeRan This is the great thing about the choice we have and the informed decisions we can make based on our individual needs. Most of the softwares these days have a free trial period too, so we can try them before committing. We have been spoiled for choice in so many ways for a long time.
I do not really get the whining of some people complaining about a software being too expensive or too limiting in features or too this or too that.
If it is too expensive for you or you do not like its features, do not buy it and try something else! It is as simple as that. Some people will never be happy no matter what. I appreciate C1 but it is way too expensive compared to adobe. It might be a little betten in some ways but not enough for me to switch. Plus I still need photoshop also, therefore can not escape Adobe. It’s been more than a couple of years now, free from under Capture One’s ‘nickel and dime’ squeeze pricing approach.
Just more business pressure. C1 that you can use year after year for those who don’t upgrade just because , for either your enjoyment, artistic pursuits, or for actual paid work is considerably cheaper than a good pair of heels or a nice leather purse or jacket.
About the same cost as a reasonably sturdy wheeled light stand or aluminum tripod. Do you need upgrades that much? I sure don’t. The brand specific versions used to be 2 seats. With C1 version 21 released last month those numbers dropped by 1. So full pro became 2 seats and brand specific pro became 1 seat.
This pricing change is only one month later. The juggling of the of seats is as annoying as anything else, I can look at a new version and figure out whether the upgrade is worth it or not pretty easily but the of seats seems to vary not just by version but by date of purchase for each version if you just happened to buy a ver.
Definitely some questionable business practices. All that being said, the software for me is way better than Lightroom. So for now I continue to use it. Version Yeah v20 was the first one I’ve tried and I’m sticking with it for now, I do like it, luckily I don’t intend to get a new body anytime soon.
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If the users aren’t putting more money into new versions of the software, the developers would have to either continuously grow the user base, or they would have to find some other revenue source. Anyway, the point is, if you buy a perpetual license for software and then you find that it’s not getting updated with new features, I don’t think anyone should be surprised or even disappointed by that outcome.
No matter what, “house always wins”. Great, I bought Capture One 21 not that long ago and I’m not eligible for the free upgrade.
Doesn’t quite seem fair to be honest. To be honest, HDR merging and panorama stitching are features I can live without so I question whether the upgrade in December will be beneficial to me at all. I love the interface. Created for Windows, with the Windows familiar menus and interface. No half-ars frustrating Apple interface conversion to Windows. The more I tried C1 since version 11, now on 21, for Sony , the more I hated its interface.
As for benefits and pricing policies, etc. If you’re only going to use it for a couple of months to try it out, choose monthly fee.
If you’re always updating everything to the latest version, get the yearly fee. If you’re not planning to upgrade until you upgrade your camera, and you do that every 3 or 4 years, get the perpetual licence. Just don’t get the perpetual licence expecting it to be updated, or the yearly and complain it wasn’t updated enough I agree. I bought C1 not that long ago and don’t qualify for the free upgrade, boo! As it is, C1 21 does more than I need it to, which is to add my own simple colour style to my images.
I doubt the newer version adds anything critical for me so could easily wait a good number of years before upgrading. I was always skipping one version before updating, but with current price policy of Phase One, that doesn’t seem possible anymore. C1 has the worst licensing models. I bought it because of its perpetual promise which falls flat the moment you get a new camera but want to be using the same limited functions in the version you bought.
What they did with the Pentax z unsupported BS is also cringe worthy, nobody is asking them to support z, they purposely block it even though its the same sensor for fuji , hassy, phase one.
If it was a small payment for existing users, it would be fine but C1 charges a whole new program price for minor upgrades. As many mentioned below, every year the updrading just renders the “life-time” meaning less. The actual benefit of upgrading is questionable, but obviously it tries to force you to pay the “annual fee”, even you chose a “life time license”. Another good example is that as a subscriber, the upgrading is free!
It tries to be better than Adobe, but anyone with a proper brain would realize that these is no difference. I am still using my lightroom 6 and adobe creative cs5. All I have to do is convert to dng. If they added features that i really care about maybe I will upgrade, I am not a digital artist. I think i got capture 1 pro 12 on sale for half off still using it. All that money i saved all those years haha.
It just seems like they’re not even trying anymore, and I’m not sure they even have software developers working on certain programs I guess, at least if you buy it outright, not only do you own a copy of the software, you are not forced into upgrading and can run the version you own for as long as you like and as long as you don’t need any newer features.
Subscriptions keep you paying money as if you would automatically upgrade to every new version and you loose the software the moment you stop paying. The C1 styles are the single worst thing I have ever wasted my money on. Cost a fortune, all are a pretty poor. Do what I do and make your own styles. It really isn’t that hard. I would never purchase styles when I have bought the software that makes it possible for me to create my own.
Most style packs come with maybe only one or two styles you would actually use anyway. Their styles are a complete waste of money for me. The fact they went down this road to try to improve revenue weakens the product because you can not use standard LUTs to colour grade. I don’t expect any company to sell software and update it perpetually for a one-time fee. That’s not a recipe for survival. But I do expect upgrading to be optional, based on the benefits offered.
No bang, no buck. Stitching and decent HDR would be something worth paying for. The ability to open files from 5 new cameras I don’t own would not be worth anything, yet I pay Adobe every month, regardless. The lifetime licence means the software won’t time-out after a while. It doesn’t get you updates past the first year They hope users to upgrade, like every other software manufacturer.
But you don’t have to, contrary to a subscription model. It’s easy to create your own styles, based on your own liking and taste. I don’t pay a subscription fee as, like you say, I don’t want to pay for features I wont use. Also subscriptions only have two or three different versions of the software and after a while they drop the oldest version so you’d be forced to upgrade if you find a particular version you like. I prefer the ‘one off’ cost, then I can upgrade to a newer version several years down the line, therefore saving money in the long run.
We should be able to have a one off purchase on software and free camera compatibility upgrades. To me this would be the main reason to getting C1. They still have to spend time and effort supporting the R3, presumably they would have to charge you more for 21 in order to cover those costs Well it isn’t like they charge you extra money to support your new camera profile.
Instead they also charge you money to support ALL the other cameras included in an upgrade. So you are in essence paying for a support library far greater than your needs. It is one thing I liked about adobe. After all profile support should in fact not cost extra. At least not hundreds of euros. It is work they need to do anyways after all. I’m on v20 right now but an upgrade will end up running me as much as a full license when it goes on sale, so unless they don’t run as many sales in the future or also put the upgrades on sale they’ve really devalued their upgrade pricing.
Please stop parroting marketing BS. This is not a lifetime license. But five years down the line, when you are forced to purchase a newer version compatible with your OS and or current camera RAW files, think of the money you saved not having to pay the subscription fee for five years.
In this way they will continue taking your money indefinitely. At the end of the day, there is no difference to Adobe model. If you are on MacOS, then yes the program will only be good for max 5 years before an os upgrade will break it.
But on windows, well i still use Photoshop CS2 and I can’t see any reason to upgrade it. And I still use Visual Basic 6 which is about 30 years old now and runs on windows If it’s any good, it’ll save me a round trip or two to other dedicated products. Just keep in mind that if you buy the manufacturer-specific version, all your RAW files from other manufacturers aren’t supported. That used to be a really good deal.
They usually do that about May each year if I remember correctly. And with the updates to Lightroom and the R5 profiles, I’m pretty sure I’m going to save money and go with Adobe now. But I’ll keep CaptureOne around as long s it’s viable for those special color adjustments.
To be honest that’s a pretty good deal, as you get to use C1 V21 now and then get another years use of C1 Seems ok to me, but I am on a subscription model for Nikon only. The biggest thing that forces you to upgrade is camera support, since older versions don’t support new cameras.
If you buy new camera bodies as they come out, you’ll probably need the latest version of Capture One. Even more reason not to upgrade your camera or software so often and make use of the perfectly good equipment you already have. I’m generalising of course as everyone’s needs differ but I’d say for a lot of dedicated enthusiasts, this is probably true.
I wish there was a subscription based version that lets you only edit maybe photos per months but costs only 10 bucks per month. I figure I’ll probably keep getting every other version I remember how much 5, images a year would have cost to develop and print in the days of film and your comment just seems out of touch and even a bit ludicrous. SilvanBromide, umm, criticizing another poster of being “out of touch” and then relating to the costs of the film days at the same time In any case, I also think that 5k images isn’t actually that bad.
I don’t have that many that I keep and still I find a software such as C1 very helpful. And that a few cents per image over the span of a year or two isn’t unreasonable compared to most of the alternatives digital OR film.
So you can pay for the next version now and get it later.. Yes I have the current C1 and have upgraded for some time, but its still, by a mile, the most expensive raw development software, with the worst noise reduction of them all – but of you want to just throw images into it and get results with a nice pop it isn’t bad Exactly my thought. The next versione is just around the corner so this buy one and get one free scheme is quite a stretch.
Perhaps this is a move away from enticing punters with discounts to buy sight unseen versions like last time. I don’t think this offer is aimed at people like you who already have the current version, but it can be enticing for those who don’t already have C1 or are on an older version. If you don’t know how to use NR properly, then you really shouldn’t comment. I agree with those who are feeling burned by the increased cost of upgrading with very limited return, but to say that C1 is inferior at NR or pretty much any other major image alteration element simply is not in tune with reality.
The full license and subscription pricing isn’t an issue for those who want the best possible RAW processing – and have done the proper comparisons with the offerings that have so clearly fallen behind. I personally think it is great software that allows me to edit images in a very efficient way thanks to, for instance, the configurable keyboard shortcuts.
However, it does have its peculiarities. Halos at the edges of darkened areas e. These can be corrected to some extent with negative structure. I’ve done a lot of work on NR and I’m very comfortable saying C! Alas we can’t post sample images here. In C1P I found it still has a ton of artefacts after you lose the obvious noise I could get the people looking quite good, but everything else was nasty.
Plus annoyingly there will always be a deal along to make you feel bad if you paid the full price I’ll wait and see if they improved the database speed. I can open my image collection in Media Pro and search through it in 1 minute. In Capture One it takes 1 hour. So I’ll stay on version 20 for now. And fixed all the various catalog related bugs and instabilities, at least on the Windows platform. There is always special when a company is “asking” for more money.
The bait will attract the sheep for sure! As a long time LR user, subscription model, who bought C1 20 with the concept of perpetual license, no more subscription. Seeming like the benefits to perpetual license are more an illusion of control than an actual functional benefit.
So far, I take photos commercially and it is not a problem for me to buy the latest version of CO I still skip one version. However, after I finish a commercial photo shoot, or something forces me to quit or, for example, a new version of CO does not bring me anything like 20 vs 21 nothing forces me to buy a new version.
What will I get when I stop paying Adobe subscriptions. It’s not that difficult. I mean I’ve been using the same C1 version since early , with no intent to upgrade until major new features like HDR land. Choosing when and for how much I decided to upgrade is still somewhat more flexible than the sub model IMO, but there’s also a ton of value in Adobe’s CC sub. OP: i feel your pain pal.
I got the same bombardment since I refused to upgrade to a smartphone all those years ago. A single day doesn’t go by without some cheeky profiteering company trying to tell me what I am missing out. And the manufacturer of my car now tells me I can buy a new electric model that goes times the distance for the same cost compared to the petrol one they sold me last year!
Greedy bastards! I wish they would just stop developing new things every year, or at least upgrade me for free! Heh, I’m curious to see if they keep handling sales the same way and running them as frequently, it nearly makes upgrade pricing irrelevant IMO So yeah imma wait a bit on v20 as well. I’m glad to see them giving a bit more information on the upgrades than they have in the past few years. This also seems like a bit meatier upgrade that the last few.
Will wait for DXO Photolab 5 than. Let’s wait and see what they have to offer. Because they do camera specific versions for those three. I think for a long time Sony was the only one. You got a free version and can still get the free version made available to you if you bought a Sony. The cash is for the full version which used to be called Capture One Pro I think. They changed the naming a couple of years ago confusingly. Why should I as a owner of a different brand camera pay more?
Let Capture One make the same price point for every user to make me a customer. They need customers, as a potential use I have multiple alternatives. The brand-specific versions are cheaper because they have less functionality they only work with raw files from one brand. As already said, if the other manufacturers aren’t interested in such a deal, that’s not really the fault of Phase One.
There is a full version that does all raw files of all brands. Then there is a paid pro version that only does raw files for Sony, Nikon or Fujifilm – then there is a cut down version for those 3 systems which only work for their raw files and is free.
No lens data, no serial number, few lens profiles, no pixel shift support, no tethering etc. I have been asking CO for better Pentax support for nearly a decade – response — crickets. I still do not know if they support the Z PEF files. There are work arounds but you have to edit the EXIF in order to get it to work. There is a comparison on their website. Colour balance, a tool that lets you adjust the colour tone for shadow, mids and highlights is a tool well worth the upgrade for me.
I have stopped asking for features. I was contacted by phone last year asking if I was interested in getting a Phase One body by Phase One. I asked why Pentax features were not supported and the guy on the other side of the conversation said paraphrasing “some vendors don’t give out that information – our hands are tied”.
I did not mention ExifTool’s ability to translate lens data – so I just didn’t bring it up. PDL The excuse given by the C1 representative is nonsense. I told them how to get at the lens data and every company worth their salt should be able to figure it out. Lightroom properly displays information from Pentax cameras, there really is no insurmountable barrier here. Note that C1 is developed by Capture One these days, i.
Capture One just thinks that Pentax is too insignificant to even warrant the couple of hours it would take to implement proper support. I agree that C1 is better than LR if only because one can still get a perpetual license but it still has serious deficiencies regarding UI design.
The recent modal exporter dialogue experiment is just one example of many minor but quite impactful bad decisions. Your comments on the UI are not broadly held. While the exporter design was a questionable choice, it was not as bad as you made out. They changed it so it is now on available again on the primary tab list. It was different, but I did not have a fit over it. Sony has just released a trio of impressively small, light, ultrawide lenses for APS-C.
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